March 30, 2004 from: C. Carilli to: ISAC re: Minutes from Telecon Monday March 29, 2004 cc: Schilizzi, Tarter Minutes are attached. Chris Carilli Socorro NM USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda for telecon: 1. Report on project status - Schilizzi 2. Report on progress of Science book - WG chairs 3. Penticton plans - Schilizzi, Rawlings ------------------------------------------------------------------- Minutes: Attending -- Carilli, D. Jones, Gaensler, Feretti, Briggs, Rawlings, Dickey, Schilizzi Not attending, but notes on book chapters received from vd Hulst, Dougherty ----- 1. Project status: R. Schilizzi Two funding proposals have been submitted for design and demonstrator development. One from Europe (18MEuro to EC + 17MEuro matching from consortium institutions), coordinated by ASTRON. Develop 25m aperture array demonstrator at WSRT (EMBRACE), plus smaller demonstrators elsewhere, plus multibeaming techniques at northern cross, plus science and technical simulations. Second is in USA for $30M to develop 12m parabola design, plus assorted hardware and software related issues. The design groups are expected to submit detailed demonstrator plans by April, to be reviewed by the EMT prior to Penticton. No science review is required. Site analysis: Brazil will be submitting a proposal to host SKA. RFI monitoring equipment is arriving and is being tested at ASTRON. Carilli asked if a 'flow down' from level 0 goals to site requirements is needed, similar to the table on proposed SKA designs in the level 0 report from November? Schilizzi, Feretti said that the north-south issue could be included in such a flow down (eg. sky overlap with future telescopes such as ALMA). Carilli will make first pass and send to Schilizzi, Rawlings, Gaensler for comment, with subsequent review by full ISAC prior to Penticton. Simulations: the haystack simulator is working in Swinburne, and is available for science simulation for those interested. Meetings: the 2nd OECD science forum on large telescopes occurs in a couple weeks. this is an important forum for discussion of funding of large international projects, mainly being discussed - ELT's and SKA. Ekers and Schilizzi will attend. The Berlin large facilities meeting is happening mid-May. There are 180 participants with significant radio presence. ----- 2. Book progress vd Hulst - the continuum chapters (Jackson (AGN) and Sadler (SF galaxies) are underway and should come in in the next two weeks. the molecule chapter (Blain and Darling) will be written in april and I will get in touch with Andrew later this week. the evolution of HI chapter is my and Marc Verheijen's prime responsibility. I have reserved large portions of the next 3 weeks to get this done. the HI (and other) absorption line studies will be tackled by Frank Briggs and Nissim Kanekar. Nissim is in Groningen and no traveling the next few weeks so I have good hope to get something from him. Feretti - chapter on CMB is progressing, but initial calculations are not optimistic. They will spell out detail design requirements for SKA in this area. A more compact array is more appropriate. the cluster magnetic field chapter is progressing, with input from Johnston-Hollitt and others. Dickey - completed drafts are in from a number of authors, plus outlines from others. Briggs - All are progressing. Waxman has promised a boiled-down version of the recent ApJ paper on cosmic web continuum emission. Jones - Fomalont is working on astrometry chapter with Reid. Spacecraft tracking/telemetry is essentially done. Falcke - report expected this week. Butler - some progress (i have imke's contribution and a promise from campbell). we still haven't figured out exactly the sun part, but i intended to send out an email later this week to bastian and dale gary to firm that up. Level 0 - First drafts have been accelerated due to the desire to have something by the Berlin meeting in mid-May. These are to be summaries of material in other chapters. Rawlings is coordinating, and the authors have been contacted. Working group review: Dickey suggested internal working group reviews prior to final submission. All agreed this was an excellent idea. The deadline remains May 1, but 1 or 2 weeks could be added to allow for these internal reviews. Schilizzi says that the project can cover cost of book. General issues: a. Color figures: these are expensive, and will not be paid for by project. But the chapters will also be on the SKA web site, where color is encouraged. It was agreed that the authors should prepare version with and without color figures, one for publication, the second for the web site, at their discretion. b. Permission for figures from other journals - NAR may have standard form to be sent to authors/journals to obtain permission to reproduce figures. Rawlings will investigate. c. References - are the references to be alphabetic or listed in order of appearance in the paper? all agreed that alphabetic was better. d. Carilli will establish an ftp site to deposit articles, although these should be reviewed by working group prior to deposition (see above). e. deadline: still May 1, with perhaps 1 to 2 week extra period for working group review. ----- 3. Penticton: The meeting is July 18-22. There will be a 3day pre-meeting on technical matters, then main meeting starts with plenary session July 19 with reports from project committees and design teams. Second day is a science day with internal SKA speakers plus outside speakers for perspective. Third day is technical review and tour of DRAO. Forth day includes breakout sessions for working groups and convergence workshop. friday/sat is ISSC meeting. ----- AI - Carilli will make first pass on flow-down from level 0 to site requirements, for review by Schilizzi, Rawlings, Gaensler prior to Penticton. AI - Carilli/Rawlings: get info from Falcke on AGN chapters. AI - Carilli note to authors about color figures, web site, permission for figure reproduction, alphabetic references. AI - Rawlings: ask NAR about standard form and process for figure permission. AI - All - write chapters! -----