July 3, 2002

from: C. Carilli (NRAO)
to:   ISAC 
re:   minutes from July 3 telecon
cc:   Ron.Ekers@csiro.au

Attending members: Backer, Carilli, Dickey, Falcke, Gaensler,
vd Hulst, Lazio, Taylor

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1. The new chairs of ISAC were introduced: Carilli and Rawlings as new
ISAC chair and deputy, Falcke, Dickey, vd. Hulst as new WG chairs,
with Jones, Feretti, Dougherty, Briggs, Lazio continuing as WG chairs.
 
 AI: Solar system chair remains empty. Taylor will contact Russ Redman.
 AI: Taylor will update SKA web page with new members.

2. Attendance in Groningen was canvased. Backer and Dickey will not
attend, but will comment on documentation prior. All WG chairs will be
in Groningen, except Dickey (and empty solar system chair).

3. The goals for the Groningen SKA meeting were reviewed. The primary
goal is a set of reports from the ISAC comparing the telescope
requirements driven by level 1 science goals to the capabilities of
the WP designs, delineating major deficiencies in the design and
possible trade-offs. These will be communicated to the WP proposers
for subsequent consideration of possible revision of the designs for
subsequent reviews in 2003 and 2005.

4. The program in Groningen was reviewed. It was agreed that the
initial talks from the ISAC should be done by Carilli and Rawlings,
summarizing level 1 science goals and the results from the preliminary
design reviews. It was also agreed that a break-out session of the
ISAC itself was needed before the combined EMT/WP proposer/ISAC
break-out sessions.  This initial session might be divided into WGs,
depending on attendance.  And a second ISAC-only break out session
toward the end of the meeting would be useful to discuss issues not
related to the WP reviews (see below).

 AI. Carilli will request separate ISAC sessions at the beginning
 and end of the Groningen meeting at the ISSC telecon next wed (3PM
 MDT)

5. The preliminary WP review process was discussed. Evaluation forms
have been distributed summarizing the capabilities of each design.  It
was clarified that the WG should use one form per level 1 science
goal, not one form per working group. The consensus was that the short
forms were useful to define some boundaries to the review process.
There was some consternation as to the ASCII format of the forms, and
the suggestion was made that the final summary form should be more
concise and incorporate more than one design + one level 1 science
goal per form. A partial consensus was reached that we will keep the
single form/single design forms for this preliminary review, but that
a final table will be generated by Carilli/Rawlings.  It was pointed
out that there are about 15 level 1 science goals based on the Bologna
reports.  It was again emphasized that the ISAC should be cognizant of
important areas of science that may have been overlooked during the
previous meetings.

 AI: Carilli/Taylor/Rawlings will consider web-based review forms.

 AI: Carilli/Taylor/Rawlings will consider format of global summary 
 form for final reports to WP proposers.

6. Possible agenda items for the ISAC in Groningen (besides the WP
reviews) were discussed, including: delineating required simulations,
evolving and publicizing of the science case, a general ISAC
discussion of the level 1 science goals from each group in order to
reach a general consensus across the ISAC, the current definition of
the WGs, the role of the ISAC at the Geralton meeting, establishment
of a public web form and formal telecon series.

7. It was recommended that a second telecon be held the penultimate
week in July to discuss progress of the preliminary reviews. 
A proposed day is July 24 at 8AM MDT.

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